Dear Flynnmates,
let me take you on a little ship trip again. Some images have been shown here before and if you remember we wondered who the lads and the ladies in attendance were.
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The opinions varied and in the end we had some pretty educated guesses as well as far out assumptions. Let`s rock the boot one more time and look at the who`s who at the helm of the Sirocco.
I think Karl is right, the lady in white looks a lot like Cabot`s girl from the Vanderbilt wedding and not Beverly Tyler .
Then I opt for a black tanned Bud Ernst and his two time wife Betty Furness holding on to the steering wheel.
Big Boy is a fix, while Lupe Velez is a nix. That`s not her. Not sure if it is Barbara Weeks either.
Now things get interesting. I think I saw a young Otto Reichow pleading love to one of the girls. This would be quite a find, since we know Otto only from photos at Flynn`s funeral and poolside with Beverly Aadland.
Here is a picture at a different angle with the man facing the camera.
If I had any money I`d bet it on Reichow to win by a whale`s length.
Maybe that`s why I don`t have any.
Here he is in later years.
I leave it for you to decide.
But the real trove would be, if that girl behind his left was a young Ava Gardner. In her biography she wrote she went out with Flynn before her career took off. They stayed friendly and years later were starring together in “The Sun also rises”. Flynntimo Ventu Sala told me Errol stood her up once in Mallorca, when she came to his hotel room door and he wouldn`t/couldn`t open the door.
Anyways, what do you think?
Here she is on the movie lot in another relaxing pose.
I may have a winner here.
Enjoy,
— shangheinz
Karl
November 26, 2021 at 4:06 am
Ahoy Helmsman Heinz… and would love to go for another sail…
You are so righto on Otto, or as Bing use to say: “There’s no doubt about it!”
As to Guinn’s lady fair it is hard to say except that it ISN’T.
It’s Budd’s “Betty” imho. She (almost) always parted her hair in the middle, whereas Barbara (almost) never did.
Ms. Furness is one who photographed SO differently in different (lighting) situations that it might be hard to even pick her out in a police line up! Still… I think SHE’S the one.
And as for Ava’s candidacy… wish it were so… if only to end the UNCERTAINTY here. Ava photographed “gauntly”during this approximate period of time (1938-41) of the outing. If you check stills and “informals”, I think you will confirm that this is so. The lady here, while VERY BEAUTIFUL, ain’t particularly thin-faced.
Just some additional thoughts…
I wish we could name EVERYBODY!
shangheinz
November 26, 2021 at 10:13 am
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Come abord, we’re expecting you, King Karl. To keep this post afloat, maybe the mermaids came from Mae‘s, the mansion in the Hollywood Hills full of lovable lookalikes. Read all about it in The fixers, the book about Eddie Mannix antics (this topic is right up Rushstreet Ralph‘s alley). You are right, Ava was incomparable in those days, but look at these gal‘s cheekbones! www.aenigma-images.com…
Karl
November 26, 2021 at 11:15 am
I must defer to your MORE discerning dissuasion… just like with Betty- lights, camera, action… it’s in the eye of the beholders: lens and observer.
Your Ava site with its selections was MOST convincing!
shangheinz
November 27, 2021 at 4:05 pm
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Star or starlet, the similarity is aMAEzing. If that are dimples in the chin, it is the one and only Ava.
David DeWitt
November 26, 2021 at 10:55 pm
Brilliant, guys!
Ralph Schiller
November 27, 2021 at 3:16 am
Heinz and Karl shipmates did some fine detective work. I agree except that is not Ava Gardner in those photos. The last picture of the real Ava proves that Mickey Rooney. Artie Shaw, and Frank Sinatra were no fools when it came to gorgeous women!
shangheinz
November 27, 2021 at 4:11 pm
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Be it as it Mae‘s, RR, check out the dame in the picture of the MGM costume ball of the Ava site above. It is Virginia Hill! www.theerrolflynnblog.com…
Ralph Schiller
November 27, 2021 at 6:21 pm
Heinz, I agree in that photo Virginia Hill bears a striking resemblance to Ava Gardner. That must have been the point of her costume.
shangheinz
November 28, 2021 at 9:10 am
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Ralph, this the pic I meant. It shows Virginia was in with the Hollywood crowd. By the way, close but no cigar, that is not Groucho!
Ralph Schiller
November 28, 2021 at 7:13 pm
Heinz, Besides Mickey Rooney, that is beautiful Ann Rutherford front and center in the photo. I do not recognize the man playing Groucho.
shangheinz
November 28, 2021 at 9:38 pm
Ann Rutherford!? I thought it was Marisa Tomei…just kidding, although…
The Grouch is Alan Gordon, manager of Ava. www.aenigma-images.com…