Dear experts,
I'd like to ask another question, even though it seems that they are quite tricky mostly… but maybe this time someone out there knows the answer. Is there a story behind Errol's first wedding ring? It is of a quite striking shape, so I thought maybe somebody knows something about it.
Also, I was wondering why nobody ever cared when it could be seen in his films. It is quite striking, for example, in “Four's A Crowd” where he plays a bachelor, and yet when he puts together that toy train and also in other scenes, it is seen all the time!
In contrast to this, there seem to be no pictures during his second and third marriage of him wearing a ring? So what happened to it? Did he never again wear one?
In “Robin Hood”, someone seems to have thought of it, yet look at the attachment – there it is again. Very confusing!
Who is the lady he is looking at in the Robin picture? Gloria …?
Thanks for your help!
— Inga
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 8:34 am
Hi Inga;
I know I owe you an e-mail – it is coming!
Wedding ring – hmm – I noticed this ring too on some of his early pictures. He must have taken his marriage serious, if so – she sure whacked it out of him! Actually Errol never wore any jewelery, rings etc., but I think it is the only ring he ever wore – it must have been his wedding ring with Tiger Lil? It looks like a chain, it sure was a chain and it was a chain – a millstone around his neck for the rest of his life! It is very sad, but he even wanted to patch up things with her when she was pregnant with Sean, but Madam had other things on her mind. Way other things – very hurtful things! Like moving to Florida and taking the child out of his reach!
He actually never divorced any of his wives – they divorced him!
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 11:01 am
hi tina,
it must be the one from the marriage with lili – but this arouses a new question: are there any pics where she is wearing one? you're right with the chain, a wonderful – or rather dreadful – image… looking forward to your e-mail btw.
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 3:46 pm
He was wearing a ring when he died. Check out the coroner's report.
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 7:24 pm
I've been interested in that ring for years (love to fnd it). It begins showing up in test shots and portraits for Captain Blood, and it's quite present all through the Charge Of The Light Brigade shooting. Since it even shows up now and then on the screen, I always thought it was his way of proving something to Lili. Of course, in actuality, it could have been nothing more than a snafu on the part of the continuity girl! I don't seem to recall ever seeing it again after Robin Hood. P.S The girl in the pic is Joan Blondell.
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 7:48 pm
Hi Inga;
I can't help you with this question – one could Google pictures of Lili to see if there is a picture showing her with a wedding ring?!?
I don't keep pictures of her – an enemy of Errol is no friend of mine!
She is only known because she was married to Errol, if she never met Errol nobody would know her or that she ever was a Hollywood actress. She had no achievements of her own, the only achievement of hers was pressuring Errol into marriage and being famous for giving him a very rotten time! Ooh la la – boy am I catty today! Ha ha!
Anonymous
May 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm
She gave Errol a few “things” other than a “rotten time”.
Anonymous
May 5, 2010 at 3:59 am
Yes Robert – come to think of it you are very right as always!
But, the big But – obviously it was not enough to outweigh her other cantankerous behavior. On the other hand he still wanted to try to give the marriage a chance when she fell pregnant with Sean. A very hurtful sad story!
Anonymous
May 5, 2010 at 6:53 am
it is joan blondell in both pics?
Anonymous
May 5, 2010 at 6:54 am
stupid question: where can i check it out?
Anonymous
May 5, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Yes.
Anonymous
May 6, 2010 at 7:54 am
Isn't that Gloria Blondell, Joan's sister, in the Robin hood pic?
Anonymous
May 6, 2010 at 3:20 pm
No – it is Joan! This picture is placed wrongly on Gloria's Wikipedia site, be assured it is Joan!
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 7:25 am
It is definitely Gloria Blondell. The Blondell family website has the photo here:
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com…
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 12:13 pm
Hi Tina,
Isn't Lili getting quite a raw deal out of this particular set of comments? Remember we only have Errol's account and a handful of magazine/newspaper articles to go by in regards to the Flynn/Damita marriage. Who pressured who into marriage is hard to assess? Errol was engaged during his time in Northampton, so it is easy to suppose that Errol would have no problem promising marriage, at very short notice, and without pressuring, to any desirable female.
I've always felt it a great shame that Lili never wrote her own memoirs; her life could, in many ways, have been as adventurous and as exciting as Errol's. I always get a sense that Lili had something to hide, whether it be her age, her supposed marriage to Curtiz, there was always some mystery behind Lili Damita and the revelations of her life could have made fascinating reading. (Hopefully Gerry Connolly will finish his book one day)
It would have been interesting to hear Lili's account of the marriage, to my knowledge she seldom spoke of it.
Who had more to gain by the marriage? Would Errol have got the role of Captain Blood without Lili? it would appear not. And it would be very naive to suppose that Errol hadn't have given consideration to such things. I don't think there was much pressure involved in this particular case and my instinct has always been that Lili had very deep feelings for Errol.
I also think it a little unfair to say that Lili had no achievements of her own, especially when casting a glance to the actual time and year of the marriage. Lili was certainly no under-achiever, she may not have been top-drawer by Hollywood standards but in Europe she was a marquee name; Brewsters Millions made very good business in the UK. Errol, on the other hand, was on the back of a role as a 'corpse' and a couple of lines in a Warner Bros quickie; Certainly no catch for a woman of Damita's status.
best wishes
Brian.
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Excellent points. I think that Errol with all his virtues was extremely ambitious and may have used Lili to some extent. His impulsivity did not help things either – I think Lili perhaps has gotten a bit of a raw deal historically. Kevin Kiernan
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 6:24 pm
On this page to the left in the column is a folder Books about Flynn. I posted information there. The coroner wrote a book and EF was in it.
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 6:41 pm
I totally agree with all you've said here. When I see pictures of them together they make a striking couple and of couse produced an equally striking son. Lili was accomplished, you can see that from the many pictures that are posted. It is too bad she did not write her own recap like Nora did. Have you ever wondered why there are no baby pictures of Sean floating around? Perhaps she was a very private person and wished to dissolve away. Yes, Tina, she was very mean spirited to take Sean away and keep him away from EF. Many women do this and it creates a crack in a parental relationship with a child that can never quite seal. Although, Sean was spending more time with his Dad and perhaps Patrice had a hand in that as well (promoting summer vacations) and the two probably would have bonded into Sean's adulthood. EF had a terrible divorce settlement–where was his attorney?!! Yes Lili “took” him. He seemed to rebound from all the terrible misguided decisions he made. What a guy, what a life!
Anonymous
May 7, 2010 at 7:28 pm
Well said, Brian. I am in agreement.
Anonymous
May 9, 2010 at 8:11 am
Hi Kevin;
Samson and Delilah what a great story!
Lili got a raw deal? Oh my god how wonderful man can be – they do not even see when they are taken left, front and centre!
I think it is for that reason why American and Australian man are so wonderful, because they are so gullible, they never heard the saying “Woman they name is snake!” and since Eve's time woman never changed! Bless you all and let the Lilis take you to the cleaners!
There are of course plenty of good women on this earth, but when they are of the Lili kind – beware! Good old Lili knew exactly what she was doing and knew exactly what was what to the finest nuance! She was trained well from childhood, she had a stage mother to guide her. Why don't you look into her history of promiscuous living long before she hit the shores of the Americas.
I am sorry to deflate your gallantry, but I appreciate your kindness very much for all the woman who are not Lilis and for Errol's bad luck to have met her. Wasn't enough that he had a Lili for a mother!
Poor Errol!
Anonymous
May 9, 2010 at 10:21 pm
I'd give my fortune just to meet a woman who is never moody or cranky!
Anonymous
May 10, 2010 at 5:21 am
Hi Brian;
Like I said before you are all such wonderful man and one has to appreciate the sentiment so very much from your point of view. If I ever need a defender may I call on you?
But, But, But as Errol said in “Never say Goodbye”, oh yes there are so many buts!
Lili getting a raw deal! This is really the best joke of the centuries and I am sure Errol would have the biggest laugh and turning in his grave.
You say we only have Errol's account and a handful of magazine/newspaper articles to go by in regards to the Flynn/Damita marriage. Now do we really?
Are you saying that Errol was fibbing in “My Wicked, Wicked Ways”? I don’t think he needed to fib in this instance!
Let’s go to his entry of page 277 of the first edition, which there are 438 pages or page 238 of other editions with 383 pages.
Did I say I had Lili where I wanted her?
Please forgive him that I am laughing, but Errol always was a most gullible man!
One evening when I made one of my occasional visits to her apartment, Lili started to get undressed.
I had that old stirring below the naval as she paraded up and down naked. She wore a curious cat-eat-the-canary look. Her tongue was in cheek – a favorite gesture of hers – and her eyes glinted strangely.
“What do you think of my figure, Fleen?” she asked.
I acknowledged my admiration. Standing there, she was the most beautiful woman of her day, without question.
She picked up the phone and dialed a number. “I want you to talk to my doctor.”
I got on the phone. A voice said, “She’s in great shape, Mr. Flynn. I want to be the first to congratulate you. And don’t worry. She’ll have an easy delivery.”
Weakly, I thanked him.
I turned to Lili. She was looking at me, standing there nude, tongue in cheek.
She made a classic remark. “Fleen, you think you’ve screwed every dame in Hollywood, but now I’ve screwed you, my friend. You will have a child.”
Now isn’t that a nice way to reveal to the man, naked, whom she supposedly loves so deeply, that they are going to be parents.
How cruel, heartless and utterly without feeling can this woman be, but all this is not the worst of this extremely sad situation The worst and most disgusting crime in this is that she planned the pregnancy and therefore made the child a pawn in her scheme. Taking a human life as a weapon that is to me a crime of magnitude. Is life that cheap to her? I wonder how Sean would have felt knowing the real reason of his conception? Being not a creation of love, but that of a penalty, punishment and revenge which is used against a person in response to a perceived wrong doing!
Let’s examine Errol’s so called wrong doings!
Errol was emotionally marked from his abusive childhood that is evident.
Errol, by his own submission states on page 417.
I want faith and I am faithless
I want to be loved, but I may myself be incapable of really loving.
Would by any chance this be the foundation of his need for female conquests? Most likely!
Lili states that plainly that this is his crime: “Fleen, you think you’ve screwed every dame in Hollywood, but now I’ve screwed you, my friend. You will have a child.”
Lili knew Errol very well, she knew who she married, she knew he liked female company, she knew all about it from the beginning – no secret to her, yet she still goes about to punish him and even takes an innocent child as a weapon in the process. How low can one sink!
She waited seven years in order for Errol to be well established and in order for her war to be rich in spoils.
If Lili would have been fair and honorable about her relationship with Errol, she could have done two things – one, divorce him before a child is born or two, put up with his peculiar lifestyle as she did anyway for seven years. But to produce a child and then go for a divorce that is an extremely cruel action and most irresponsible towards the child. What did this pregnancy mean to her?
Errol was at fault to sleep with her if he had no feelings for her, but he must have had feelings for her even in his peculiar ways. (Living apart from the women he is married to)
Errol did not want a divorce he wanted to be part of their child’s life! That is a proven fact!
But in those days a man’s wish was obviously not important. Here I need some education. How could a woman divorce her husband if he does not want to be divorced? Same thing with Nora! Women just go to court or to Mexico and say “You are divorced”? Like the Shah of Persia divorced Soraya? The women have no say in Persia – so – man have no say in the United States of America? Wow!
Please make your own assumption! Is Lili getting a raw deal???
Dear Brian, it is wonderful that there are men still on this globe who believe that women like Lili received a raw deal. I am a woman, but I am sorry there is no way that I ever could associate myself with a heartless woman like Lili, it would be an insult to all the good and wonderful women around the world who genuinely love their men and received children for no other reason, but love!
Next, you say – who pressured who into marriage is hard to assess? No it is not! Errol had no intentions of marrying Lili! She made the famous threat to jump out the window if he wouldn’t marry her – a well known fact very much like Lilli’s temperament – “throw a temper tantrum and get your way”. Poor naïve Errol fell for it and agreed!
How did this come about? Errol, as usual not thinking of repercussions was already living with Lili. Due to this living arrangement Warner Brothers became worried due to social standards at the time and to protect their investment, put pressure of marriage on him. Quite possible and not far fetched, this to be initiated by Ann Warner to notch Jack into the rips and most likely a little conspiracy added between the two women to force Errol’s hand, as they were close friends.
And the deal became reality!
In those early days of Hollywood Errol was much to naïve to be able to assess the ramifications in stall for his actions. One of his problems, he never conformed to new and different surroundings or to his new found Stardom status. He lived the way he wanted to live and his motto was “I do as I please” – maybe a mistake, but then he wouldn’t have been Errol!
You also say, Errol was engaged during his time in Northampton, so it is easy to suppose that Errol would have no problem promising marriage, at very short notice, and without pressuring, to any desirable female.
I never heard that he was engaged to anybody in Northampton??? In Sidney – yes, but Northampton? To whom – who was this lucky lady? Furthermore, he was quite shy of marriage. Personally, I do not agree with this paragraph, as it is quite contradictive to his nature and actions we all know. Don’t let’s forget a very important factor, he never divorced a woman, he was not loyal to any of them, but they divorced him. He did not wanted to be divorced from Lili or from Nora!
You say – you felt it a great shame that Lili never wrote her own memoirs; her life could, in many ways, have been as adventurous and as exciting as Errol's. You are dead on; she had a life way before Errol had any so called life or adventures. Her biography would have been a lot better than “My Wicked, Wicked Ways” if one is talking about juicy content. There is nothing in “My Wicked, Wicked Ways”, which is shocking or out of the ordinary of a man who likes excitement.
Very few woman or affairs are mentioned in My Wicked, Wicked Ways – as a matter of facts nothing WICKED about it at all!
You say you always get a sense that Lili had something to hide, whether it is her age, her supposed marriage to Curtiz, there was always some mystery behind Lili Damita and the revelations of her life could have made fascinating reading. (Hopefully Gerry Connolly will finish his book one day)
I hope so and hopefully with the truth and nothing but the truth! And I hope the book is published in her name only and not used under Errol’s name to make it a seller! This would provide proof of her validity!
May I tell you she had plenty to hide from her time before Hollywood and even in Hollywood your senses are on the right track! She was no unblemished little daisy!
Michael Curtis the tough guy couldn’t handle her and the marriage after Errol’s death was short lived. Oh yes, she never remarried as long Errol was alive, but soon after Errol’s demise she did!
I wonder why? She was a vindictive, ferocious, cantankerous person!
You say – who had more to gain by the marriage? Most definitely Lili! It was well known that her carrier was declining by the time she met Errol! Did she get no more offers to make a movie or what was the actual scenario, but after she married Errol she only made the two movies listed below. One has to wonder – why? Did by any chance she found a steer who was a milking cow?
• L’escadille de la chance (1937) (as Lily Damita) Edwige
… aka “Escadrille of Chance” – International (English title)
• The Devil on Horseback (1936). Diane Corday
She was a “B” movie actress and maybe had a name of some sort in those days, but she was no star in the real sense of stardom. She was no Bette Davis, Joan Crawford and their likes; she never was in their league. I still maintain if she’d never met Errol nobody would know her today!
You say – would Errol have got the role of Captain Blood without Lili? What does it matter, Errol would have become a star maybe a little later, but he would have succeeded – he was no slouch in going after what he wanted. Aha, but if Lili had a hand in making him Captain Blood this would have been in conjunction with Ann Warner, as she knew Errol’s quality and at the same time to secure her future. Your instinct is maybe right to a point that Lili had feelings for Errol, but in a much distorted way and not without the devious thought “to have the cake and eat it too”. Lili could not help herself, this was her nature, her way of thinking, and she had to learn it at a very early age in her life to be canning, be an instigator and be conniving when needed to get ahead in the very tough world of the movie industry. It is very sad that two so ill fated people had to meet!
In the same instance, Errol couldn’t help himself the way he was, as a matter of facts, we all can’t help ourselves the way we are. We all are what we are!
You say, I also think it a little unfair to say that Lili had no achievements of her own.
Please enlighten me – what are Lilli’s great achievements? Nobody knows her in Europe except maybe as Errol’s wife. That is what I knew of her when I lived in Europe eon years ago, but everybody even a child knew Errol.
I am at a loss of the meaning with your remark “especially when casting a glance to the actual time and year of the marriage”. Again, sorry “Brewsters Millions made very good business in the UK”, please enlighten me.
I know a lot about Errol and Lili, certainly not everything as none of us do and most of all only Lili and Errol themselves knew “What was what”. There are many things nobody will ever know! We are just trying to put pieces together of what we are privy to, which is fed to us by books, the media and the few who had the privilege to know Errol personally.
I am sorry Brian for getting a little windy and submitting such a long reply to you, but I thought it may shed some light into some assumptions we all make from time to time including me!
Best regards,
Tina
Anonymous
May 10, 2010 at 6:02 am
Hi Inga;
The Coroner Glen MacDonald from Vancouver has written a book – titled “How come I am dead?” and it covers the autopsy of Errol.
Apparently he wore a cheap ring at the time of his death on his left hand. It is only eleven pages and titled “Captain Blood's Last Hurrah”.
Anonymous
May 10, 2010 at 6:16 am
Dear Robert – you just lost your fortune – hand it over!
Why would any woman be moody or cranky – for what reason?
Maybe I am a strange bird!
Being moody and cranky would cause acidity in the body and therefore creating diseases, why would anybody do that to oneself?
Be happy, smile and laugh your head off, that is my policy!
All the best to you and please keep on smiling!
Tina
Anonymous
May 10, 2010 at 8:26 pm
I'm not the one to ask why any woman would be moody or cranky. I think you should direct your question to them!
Anonymous
May 13, 2010 at 12:07 am
Hi Brian and Kevin;
Re: Raw Deal Lili and how accomplished she was
Please appreciate that this is meant solely as a friendly discussion about the subject, no more than an EYE opener and food for thought!
What coincidence, one of our co-authors Sam submitted a wonderful article and photo of Olivia and within this article I found quite some proof of Lili Damita's Fame. Right under Olivia's picture there is another article titled “74 classic actresses” – a little evidence to Lili Damita's fame. They actually display 84 classic actresses and a search line too – just in case the certain favorite is not listed. Please have a look and type Lili Damita in the Search line!
hunch.com…
In addition Brian, you maybe did not have time to read my reply just yet, but maybe you will. I just would love to know your thoughts about respecting a woman who tricks a man (husband) into producing a child for the sole purpose to pursue him relentlessly, with full of vengeance and without mercy, to squeeze every penny out of him for the rest of his life. A woman who has no other aim in life, but to ruin him in any way possible. To fulfill her vengeance she produced life and gave life to her son for this sole reason only and for no other purpose.
Is that called love for father and son?
It is extremely sad that Lili never knew what real love was all about and I am very sorry for her never being able to feel it. What an empty life!
Anonymous
May 13, 2010 at 9:26 am
Hi Tina,
Of course I realise that this is a friendly discussion, have no fear or worries about upsetting me in any way. I realised long ago that discussions on Flynn can reach 'controversial' heights shall we say.
I have to say that I read your comments a few days ago and had neither the time nor inclinaton to post back. You seem to have very strong and extreme views on Damita that in my opinion have little basis in fact. Reading through the vast amounts of psycho-babble (which was a chore in itself) I couldn't see much point in continuing the discussion except to clear up the Northampton engagement situation, which I shall do so now.
Yes, Flynn was engaged in Northampton. To quote Freda Jackson, Errol's co-star at the Northampton Rep —
“…At the start, he was just another boy in the company. We had other leading men, but he had the looks and the personality to be a film star with his delicate features. He was engaged to a girl he met in Northampton and she was to follow him to America, but he didn't take the engagement seriously. Her father kept a public house in the town and he stayed there for a while…” *
As to your point about respecting Damita, whatever respect I have for Lili Damita is based on her 'screen magnetism'; which I found to be 'garbo-esque'. First time I saw her on screen I was in awe of her beauty and presence; there is a deep regret that she didn't make more films. I also have a great respect for the suffering she went through in losing her son.
When it came to her dealings with Flynn, the respect diminshes somewhat – they both played a tough, dirty game throughout the marriage and beyond.
That is a very basic view of where I stand at the moment on the Flynn/Damita situation, if new 'factual' evidence presents itself I'll be happy to revise my opinion.
best wishes
Brian.
*Errol Flynn: The Last Romantic Hero (Seaton/Dodd, Unpublished)
Anonymous
May 13, 2010 at 3:45 pm
Hi Brian;
I appreciate your reply very much and in particular your thoughts on the subject. We all have our opinions and they may be sometimes right or wrong, but being able to exchange our views points about certain things, which are troublesome to us when it comes to our common Hero makes this blog so wonderful.
You have me intrigued about your last sentence “Errol Flynn: The Last Romantic Hero” (Seaton/Dodd, Unpublished)
Could you give me some details about this title? You have triggered my curiosity as I have read or seen this title somewhere before, but cannot place it.
Maybe when you have time I would very much appreciate if you could clarify this for me?
My best regards,
Tina
Anonymous
May 13, 2010 at 4:52 pm
Hi Tina,
Yes, I agree that it is wonderful to be able have a site like this to gather and discuss this fine fellow Flynn and all the mystery and intrigue of his life.
'The Last Romantic Hero' was a book written by a fellow named Ray Seaton, who from what I can gather was a journalist working for one of the smaller regional papers in the UK.
The book appears to have been written in the mid-late 1970s just before the Flynn controversy began. Apparently Mr. Seaton died before the book reached the publishers, which is a great pity as it is beautifully written. I'm also lucky enough to have quite a lot of Seaton's research material and a few other things pertained to the book. Seaton interviewed a lot of people who knew Flynn here in the UK. So a lot of the information it contains would have been very new (and still would be new) to Flynn enthusiasts.
Some of the research material is fascinating and even delves into Errol's time in London pre-Hollywood and his work as an extra for Baxter and Barter. I have the research notes to thank for getting me into the films of John Baxter (who could be labelled as the man who really gave Flynn his break into the movies) Baxter was a kind of British 'Capra' if you will, although his films about the common working-class man have a much more gritty realism than Capra.
There is also mention in the notes about Flynn and Damita meeting in London but the information isn't verified and as such isn't a reliable source, I felt it would be a little inappropriate to post it as it is far from flattering on Errol.
best wishes,
Brian.
Anonymous
May 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm
Hi Brian;
Thank you so much for all the explanations on “The Last Romantic Hero” and it most certainly is a great pity that the book was never published, I wonder why? Maybe some legal issues attached to it that it could not be printed posthumously? Unless maybe it was not completed?
Also, very interesting is how did you acquire Ray Seaton's research material and other pertinent papers of the book? You are very lucky to have it and maybe one day you could post some synopsis' here for us poor underprivileged Flynninians to be enlightened? It would be such a great pleasure.
I am not aware of John Baxter the filmmaker, but I am certainly very aware of Frank Capra, who would ever forget “It's a Wonderful Life” with Jimmy Stewart, “It Happened One Night” with Clark Gable, “Mr. Deeds Goes to Town” with Gary Cooper and many others. Those are Classics.
It is interesting to find another person who gave Errol a break into the movies. It is a great pity that Errol did not gave a chapter or more on the people who where important to his carrier in MWWW.
You mention that the notes are referring that Errol and Lili maybe met in London. There are other stories running – like Paris was the town where Errol met Lili first. Arriving in Marseille, Dr. Erben went to Vienna and Mr.Jespersen and Errol departed for Paris before he was going to London, which is a fact, but did he meet Lili? Very doubtfully! As time passes stories get bend out of shape. Errol met Lili “on the” and not “in” Paris , being a boat very appropriate for Errol and this happens to be so far the true first meeting place.
By the way, who was the person writing the unflattering part of Errol – Ray Seaton?
Thank you for sharing this information! I am leaving you with lots of questions (not sorry) as you seem to have all the answers.
My best regards,
Tina
Anonymous
May 14, 2010 at 10:25 pm
No Darling it is Joan – have a look what Gloria looks like – a very different look!
The Best to you!
Anonymous
May 14, 2010 at 11:02 pm
I assume the Blondell family knows who is who.
A Flynn collector named Derek Dubery had a site about ten years ago, with many unique photos, and a useful guide to recognizing real Flynn autographs from fakes.
This site had the Flynn-Blondell pic—labelled “GLORIA Blondell”—not Joan.
Anonymous
May 14, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Hi Dave;
You do not list any e-mail in your bio – so if you send me an e-mail, mine you find in my bio I will send you a picture showing Gloria and Joan on one picture. I hope that will help to solve the issue. Btw, Gloria and Joan have very little resemblance – very easy to know who is who!
Tina
Anonymous
May 15, 2010 at 10:05 pm
Oooh, a real cat fight in the works–Flynn is loving this!
Anonymous
May 18, 2010 at 7:05 am
maybe just a little reminder of where it was all started – any news about the mysterious ring so far, friends????